{"id":615,"date":"2018-07-19T09:51:26","date_gmt":"2018-07-19T09:51:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615"},"modified":"2018-10-28T10:02:46","modified_gmt":"2018-10-28T10:02:46","slug":"jean-claude-ameisen-vivre-cest-avoir-reussi-pendant-un-temps-a-ne-pas-declencher-son-autodestruction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615","title":{"rendered":"Jean-Claude Ameisen : \u00ab\u00a0Vivre c&rsquo;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction\u00a0\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.franceculture.fr\/emissions\/les-masterclasses\/jean-claude-ameisen-vivre-cest-avoir-reussi-pendant-un-temps-a-ne-pas-declencher-son-autodestruction\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img data-attachment-id=\"616\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?attachment_id=616\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_.png\" data-orig-size=\"380,380\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_-300x300.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_.png\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-616 size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_-150x150.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_-140x140.png 140w, https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1024px-France_Culture_logo_2005.svg_.png 380w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><strong>Jean-Claude Ameisen : \u00ab\u00a0Vivre c&rsquo;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong><br \/>\n19\/07\/2018<br \/>\nJean-Claude Ameisen fait sa Masterclasse : vous comprendrez pourquoi nous avons des doigts et non des palmes, \u00e7a s&rsquo;appelle la mort cellulaire.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab\u00a0Vivre c&rsquo;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction. Ce qui est n\u00e9cessaire \u00e0 la vie d&rsquo;une cellule, c&rsquo;est la pr\u00e9sence d&rsquo;autres cellules. Au niveau cellulaire et donc \u00e9l\u00e9mentaire, c&rsquo;est les relations entre les cellules qui d\u00e9terminent leur survie ou leur disparition. Les relations entre la vie et la mort peuvent ne pas \u00eatre celle de la destruction mais \u00eatre de l&rsquo;ordre des communications.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953.jpg\"><img data-attachment-id=\"617\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?attachment_id=617\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"838,558\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"838_067_296953\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953-300x200.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953.jpg\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-617 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953-768x511.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/838_067_296953.jpg 838w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab\u00a0L\u2019immunologie c&rsquo;est l&rsquo;\u00e9tude de l&rsquo;organe dans notre corps qui nous prot\u00e8ge contre les microbes. Comment est-ce que cet organe fait la diff\u00e9rence entre le soi et le non-soi, ce qui vient de l&rsquo;int\u00e9rieur et ce qui est \u00e0 l&rsquo;ext\u00e9rieur ? Comment fait-il la diff\u00e9rence entre ce qui n&rsquo;est pas dangereux et ce qui est sain ?\u00a0\u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A quoi ressemble le travail des hommes et femmes en blouse blanche, d\u2019o\u00f9 viennent les id\u00e9es, comment naissent les vocations ? Et dans ce moment de transition du culturel vers le scientifique nous devions faire entendre Jean-Claude Ameisen car ce dernier ne croit pas \u00e0 cette fronti\u00e8re qui s\u00e9pare les deux grands champs de la cr\u00e9ativit\u00e9 et de la rationalit\u00e9 humaine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab\u00a0Tout enfant est un chercheur. L&rsquo;\u00e2ge adulte fait souvent perdre cet \u00e9tonnement, ces questionnements, et on vit dans un monde rassurant car il est plus fait de r\u00e9ponses que de questions. Faire de la recherche c&rsquo;est conserver cette part d&rsquo;enfance. Les connaissances, les r\u00e9ponses sont rassurantes mais n&rsquo;\u00e9puisent pas le questionnement.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Il est m\u00e9decin, chercheur et professeur d\u2019immunologie \u00e0 l\u2019Universit\u00e9 Paris Diderot. Ses recherches ont port\u00e9 principalement sur la mort cellulaire, un processus dont il montre l\u2019importance pour lutter contre des maladies comme le Sida ou des atteintes neurod\u00e9g\u00e9n\u00e9ratives. Ces travaux ont donn\u00e9 lieu \u00e0 un livre, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.seuil.com\/ouvrage\/la-sculpture-du-vivant-le-suicide-cellulaire-ou-la-mort-creatrice-jean-claude-ameisen\/9782020573740\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Sculpture du vivant\u00a0: Le suicide cellulaire ou la mort cr\u00e9atrice<\/em> (1989).\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab\u00a0Durant mes \u00e9tudes, j&rsquo;ai \u00e9t\u00e9 sensibilis\u00e9 \u00e0 la question de la mort cellulaire d&rsquo;abord parce qu&rsquo;on disait \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9poque que le ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne d&rsquo;autodestruction cellulaire jouait un r\u00f4le essentiel dans le d\u00e9veloppement de l&#8217;embryon. Par exemple, le fait que nos doigts soient individualis\u00e9s. Au d\u00e9but du processus nos doigts sont joints par des palmes et \u00e0 un moment, les cellules qui forment ces palmes s&rsquo;autod\u00e9truisent, et nos doigts sont s\u00e9par\u00e9s. C&rsquo;est ce qui \u00e9merge en terme de forme par ce qui est retir\u00e9 : comme le sculpteur qui fait sa sculpture par ce qu&rsquo;il retire de la pierre et pas forc\u00e9ment par ce qu&rsquo;il ajoute.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.franceculture.fr\/player\/export-reecouter?content=42ca6741-5919-42a6-8563-335ac20aff81\" width=\"481\" height=\"137\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h6><em><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Pour lire l&rsquo;interview, cliquez sur le logo de France Culture<\/span><\/em><\/h6>\n<div class=\"sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled\"><div class=\"robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-official sd-sharing\"><h3 class=\"sd-title\">Partager\u00a0:<\/h3><div class=\"sd-content\"><ul><li class=\"share-facebook\"><div class=\"fb-share-button\" data-href=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615\" data-layout=\"button_count\"><\/div><\/li><li class=\"share-twitter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/share\" class=\"twitter-share-button\" data-url=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615\" data-text=\"Jean-Claude Ameisen : &quot;Vivre c&#039;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction&quot;\" data-via=\"httpstwittercomartherapie75\" >Tweet<\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-linkedin\"><div class=\"linkedin_button\"><script type=\"in\/share\" data-url=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615\" data-counter=\"right\"><\/script><\/div><\/li><li class=\"share-email\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-email sd-button\" href=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615&amp;share=email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Cliquez pour envoyer par e-mail \u00e0 un ami\"><span>E-mail<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#\" class=\"sharing-anchor sd-button share-more\"><span>Plus<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-end\"><\/li><\/ul><div class=\"sharing-hidden\"><div class=\"inner\" style=\"display: none;width:150px;\"><ul style=\"background-image:none;\"><li class=\"share-print\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-print sd-button\" href=\"https:\/\/artherapievirtus.org\/Cancer\/?p=615\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Cliquer pour imprimer\"><span>Imprimer<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-end\"><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jean-Claude Ameisen : \u00ab\u00a0Vivre c&rsquo;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction\u00a0\u00bb 19\/07\/2018 Jean-Claude Ameisen fait sa Masterclasse : vous comprendrez pourquoi nous avons des doigts et non des palmes, \u00e7a s&rsquo;appelle la mort cellulaire. \u00ab\u00a0Vivre c&rsquo;est avoir r\u00e9ussi pendant un temps \u00e0 ne pas d\u00e9clencher son autodestruction. 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